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Which one do you think is NOT a bunch of racist garbage: the JBS, or the Protocols? Be specific. Which is NOT real and which is genuine?

TEXT FROM JBS WEBSITE ON “THE PROTOCOLS”

Claim: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, a document also referred to by several variants on that title, offers the definitive exposé of the real covert power shaping events and institutions in pursuit of an anti-Christian, tyrannical global government.

Status: Debunked

Arguably the longest-lived and most influential work of Black Propaganda ever published, the Protocols purport to be the record of a secret meeting among Zionist leaders during the 1897 World Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland. First published in English during the early years of the 20th Century, the Protocols have been definitively debunked as a hoax largely plagiarized from various sources — including satires and novels.
Yet it retains its hold on the imagination of millions even today. Distributed with official sanction by some Arab governments; it served as the basis of a television mini-series in Egypt, and is given respectful treatment as legitimate history in Saudi textbooks; and it is circulated in the United States by some Latino radicals associated with the Movimiento Estudiantil de Chicanos de Aztlan (MEChA), a group promoting racial separatism and the “reconquest” (la reconquista) of the American southwest by Mexico.
The Protocols began as a clumsy plagiarism of an 1864 political tract entitled “Dialogues in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu.” Written and published anonymously by French lawyer Maurice Joly, the earlier pamphlet was a satirical attack on Napoleon III, using the literary device of a discussion between two damned political plotters as a way of condemning the ruler’s tactics and views. Joly appears to have used as a template a novel entitled The Mysteries of the People, in which the plotters were Jesuits.
The anti-Napoleon III tract was initially published in Belgium, and efforts were made to smuggle it into France, where — owning to a legal ban on works critical of the monarchy — it was confiscated. Once identified as the author, Joly was arrested and sentenced to a little more than a year in prison.
Another work that appears to have served as a model for the Protocols was To Sedan, an 1868 novel published by German writer Herman Goedsche under the pen name “Sir John Radcliffe.” One chapter in that book bore the unwieldy title “The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.” In that section Goedsche/Radcliffe described a meeting taking place once a century in a Prague cemetery between Satan and a representative from each tribe of Israel. In tone, broad outline, and some details, this fictional account reportedly resembles the Protocols. One Ukrainian academic has concluded that the Protocols borrowed from the writings of Fyodor Dostoyevsky, a penitent one-time Russian radical whose works exposed the machinations and mindset of Illuminist-descended radical and nihilist groups.
The precise origins of the Protocols document itself are difficult to nail down. Some historians believe that the work, in a rudimentary form, was produced by anti-Semitic authors during the 1894 Dreyfus Affair (in which an innocent French artillery officer of Jewish descent was falsely convicted of treason, and unjustly imprisoned on Devil’s Island). By this account, the work was imported to Russia by Philip Stepanov and translated from the French into Russian, and later published by Serge Nilus, an official of the Russian Okhranka (secret or political police).
A treatment of the Protocols cited in the on-line Wikipedia database notes: “Recent research by Russian historian Mikhail Lepekhine traced the Protocols to Matvei Golovinski, agent provocateur of the Okhranka… Golovinski had been linked to the work before; the German writer Konrad Heiden identified him as an author of the Protocols in 1944. Golovinski worked together with Charles Joly son of Maurice Joly) at Le Figaro in Paris and wrote articles at the direction of Pyotr Rachkovsky, Chief of the Russian secret service. During the Dreyfus affair in France, when polarization of European attitudes toward the Jews was at a maximum, the publication began private circulation as The Protocols in 1897 [the same year that the World Zionist Congress was held in Basel].”
Here’s the most provocative aspect of the Golovinski theory: “After the 1917 [Russian] revolution, Golovinski became a Bolshevik propagandist.”
This could, of course, be simple opportunism, in the tradition of Talleyrand’s frequent changes of factional loyalty during and after the French Revolution.
But it should be remembered that Lenin and other Marxists — including those nominally of Jewish extraction — eagerly peddled anti-Semitic propaganda, such as Marx’s scabrous 1859 tract A World Without Jews. They did this, first of all, to engender inter-communal hatred as a way of undermining civil society and precipitating revolution (a tactic depicted by Dostoyevsky in The Possessed, aka The Devils).
While abetting anti-Jewish pogroms in Germany, Russia, and elsewhere, disciples of Marx and followers of Lenin insisted that only the Communist movement could provide shelter from anti-Semitic rampages — just as the German National Socialists would later depict themselves as a bulwark against Bolshevik-inspired revolutionary violence. (In his memoir Return to my Father’s House, Maurice Malkin, a founding member of the US Communist Party, describes how Communists preyed cynically on the fears of Russian Jews living in the “Pale of Settlement.”)
John Birch Society founder Robert Welch, in his warning against the pernicious influence of anti-Semitism and cognate varieties of racial and religious bigotry, described the Protocols as an instrument either devised by, or exploited by, the Communists to advance their designs:
“[Lenin] played a leading role in having much of the actual Communist program laid out plainly in writing … in a spurious document called ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ so that the Jews … would be blamed for the program itself.”
The fact that Matvei Golovinski, who played the key role in popularizing the document, later became an overt propagandist for the Bolshevik regime tends to support Mr. Welch’s view.
Additional Resources:
“If You Want it Straight,” by Robert Welch

I never said there was a connection between JBS and the Protocols, I said there was a similarity, i.e. they are both full of crap.

Just to illustrate how maliciously ignorant you are, I am NOT a “JBS advocate”. In fact, I am universally despised by JBS officials, members, supporters and their fellow-travelers because for more than 40 years I have produced reports which conclusively demonstrate their falsehoods.

I am so despised, that the JBS will not allow me to post messages on its website. In addition, if you review my contributions in various Yahoo conspiracy discussion groups you will see that JBS members ROUTINELY describe me as “Communist”, “pro-Communist”, “false patriot”, “New World Order stooge”, “neutralizer”, “disinformation agent” and comparable terms.

For FACTUAL details concerning why the JBS should be rejected, see my 88-page report which is based, primarily, upon first-time-released FBI files and documents (link below). Numerous authors, researchers, and scholars have cited documents in my collection in their own writings because I am the ONLY person to have acquired the entire FBI HQ “main file” on the JBS (about 12,000 pages) plus numerous FBI field office files (another 6000+ pages).

Well, then, if you'd stop misconstruing statements then we'd be natural allies. I, too, am accused of being a stooge and sympathizer (among less polite terms). And thank you for the links!

You are using lowest-common-denominator reasoning which is designed to evoke the most adverse perceptions from your readers.

I am confident that if someone put YOUR name in the same sentence as The Protocols, or the Communist Manifesto, or the Ku Klux Klan, or the American Nazi Party, etc. —- you would instantly perceive how malicious and defamatory such a “link” would be. In fact, you might even consult a libel lawyer.

I made no “link.” I suggested that there is a formula for inventing paranoid, delusional screeds.

There you go again! “Hateful minds” — which reinforces your original comment which wanted to link the JBS to the Protocols! Shame on you!

Too clever by half. You don't just link the JBS to The Protocols. You also link them to “all the diverse paranoias of political ages past” and you claim that such “paranoias” were “recyled” into the JBS. You then use even more defamatory arguments by claiming that “anti-Mormon, anti-Masonic and anti-Catholic lies were turned into anti-communist ones” as if the JBS is merely the natural logical progression of ALL these bigotries. Leaving aside that many of the senior leaders of the JBS have been Mormons and Catholics (in fact 40% of JBS membership was, at one time, Catholic) — your screed is laughable!

This is not rocket science. Just answer “yes” or “no”

1. Was your comment about “paranoid and hateful minds” intended as a reference to groups like the JBS?

2. Was your reference to “all the diverse paranoias of political ages past were recycled into JBS” meant to convey that the JBS welcomes “paranoid and hateful minds” into its organization?

Richard Hofstadter's seminal essay described the strange history of the paranoid style: http://www.harpers.org/archive/1964/11/0014706 This doesn't make the JBS anti-Mormon or anti-Catholic; it just means that “commies” replaced Mormons and Masons and Catholics when the memes were recycled.

Ernie1241 is a MOSSAD SPY. He is connected to the ADL and therefore is not to be paid any attention. He is a zionist ju who actually thinks he can control public opinion and he has proven himself to be a zionist pathetic juke. PHUCK YOU ADL! Oh, and we can't wait for the new middle east fireworks when pisrahel is once again wiped off the map.